Emphasis Art Ninth Edition Warhammer
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I appreciate that this may be something of a dead horse at this point, but I've been gone from Warhammer for a long time, although I periodically read up on how the world/worlds of WHFB/40K are developing, and goddamnit I want to discuss this so you're just going to have to deal with it! Or just not read this. So yes, I only recently remembered that I hadn't kept up with Warhammer in a while and started reading around until I heard of this thing called The End Times. Being a poor student, I don't have the money to invest in the actual books, so I just read the extremely well detailed and informative 'compressed' version on 1d4chan, and I have to say, I was a bit shocked.
1d4chan also had a list of things that some people thought were problematic about the execution of the event in question, and I personally agree with the majority of the gripes. The article on 1d4chan summed it up pretty nicely by saying 'It is difficult to see how long term fans of the lore are supposed to take the ending with good grace.' It seems just flat out lazy to build up all of that new story, only to then hit the button of LOLOLOL CHAOS WINS, WORLDS OVER, EVERYONE GO HOME. Surah yasin dan tahlil. Now, the rumors of the ninth edition sound really shitty to me, but they are still just rumors, so I'm honestly not yet worried about it. However, if they do go ahead with making it a skirmish-y small scale battle game with the army and model variety cut down by more than half, I'm finding it difficult to understand how anyone at GW could think that was a good idea. If thats the direction they end up taking, I would predict that it would not go over well in the slightest with the players.
Anyways, what do you guys/gals think? Lemme first start by saying that I don't buy the skirmish game rumors. Maybe a spinoff to start 9e, but I don't think gw would downsize the whole game like that. When was the last time gw wanted you to field LESS models? As a new fantasy player, I have but one request: that they really make it the 'game of fantasy battles' not 'the game of pre-established warhammer characters'. One of the things I love most about 40k is how flexible the lore is. Want to recreate the Imperial fists 4th company perfectly?
Do you wanna say fuck the lore and play some completely made up fluff? There's enough 'unknown' space in the galaxy that you can. Fantasy doesn't play that way. I want to invent my own make believe elven society with it's own rules and shit, but I just. Can't without butchering the game. High Elves live on one island and have exactly X amount of kingdoms. There's not enough flexibility for me to fit what I want into the setting.
For 9e I want to see them say 'this is one suggested setting, but the same units and races fit into different settings with different context just fine.' The end times itself was extremely fun and exciting to witness.
I loved the idea that the storyline was actually progressed, rather than constantly reliving the same storied struggles over and over each edition; and from what I can gather, most of the internet agreed. The main issues were with the way that Magic worked in Khaine - ie, every wizard knows every spell of every lore they access. That, and army construction in the last book - 'screw% based armies, take whatever you want, sod it all!' Leads to some very unbalanced gameplay. Other than that, the characters, story arcs, fruition of ancient prophecies long since talked about (Malekith as the true Phoenix King??? AMAZING!), was a lot of fun.
Now, the rumors for 9th are by and large getting negative feedback from the community, but I think that's the point from GW - not to get negative feedback per se, but to appeal to an entirely new group of players. Its no secret that 40k has been vastly outselling fantasy over the past 10-15 years, and so despite a lot of the older players being miffed that their fluff is changing, the world is ending, and the new edition might very well be a totally different game.there also wasn't enough interest/sales to keep the game thriving in the current format. But, that being said, I know a lot of communities that have already vowed to simply play 8th edition if 9th edition is whack, and again everything we've heard has been rumor so it may end up being fine. Afterall, the last scene in Archaon set the groundwork for anything to happen; a new system, setting, and narrative, or a complete 'redo' of the universe, 'history repeats itself' sort of narrative to allow the storylines of 8th edition to continue. It could also just be the 'bad dream' storyline, and have Teclis awake from a fevered dream to start 9th edition and a 'phew, can't believe that was a dream, boy am I glad none of that happened'.
TL;DR: no one knows whats going to happen, but its equal parts exciting and scary. Yeah, I think my OP may have skimped out on the stuff that I thought was cool. There were a lot of storylines there that I thought were amazing (like Malekith, which you mentioned). I also agree on the topic of moving the story forward, but I don't think just flat out wiping the entire world clean was such a good move.
The stories progressed, sure, but they also completely ended everything. As I said in another reply here, I find it difficult to believe that they won't retcon/reboot at least part of the stuff that happened in end times. I agree completely - I think the reason for the 'blank slate' ending is so that they have options. They can create a skirmish game centered around the 'bubble-hammer' rumors that are floating around, as a low-cost entry level game to get people into the fantasy setting, while simultaneously retconing the storyline back to the beginning of WHFB that we all know and love in order to appease the older crowd and allow for larger scale games. In that sense, they have a new revenue stream with newer players, and once the players have enough models/units they can make the jump to the standard larger-scale game like in 8th.
It means that players don't have to drop $600 on a new army and paint 90-100 minis to play - they can start at $100 or so, and paint a handful of minis and monsters, and grow it into a larger army (which is admittedly difficult to do in 8th edition). I don't know any of this for sure, but the way it feels to me was that GW decided they wanted to reboot/restart the whole thing and begin anew with Warhammer. They have been carrying around all of the history of Warhammer that was built up for decades and it would be prety lame for them to just trow it all in the bin and start over, right? So they went and made the end times books and 'finished the story' so to speak. The result still feels like throwing the setting in the trash to many of the old timers, but I think that if they were going to burn it all down anyway, this was a decent way to do it.
Which would be preferable: 'Hey guys here's ninth; all the lore is revised and the game is really different now, hope you like it' or 'So we're moving in a new direction, figured you guys would want to see how it all played out before we proceed'. Maybe you don't like that Settra died and isn't going to be in NewHammer, but at least you got to witness how much of a badass he could really be even in the end.
Maybe you're bummed that Brets are gone, but by the Lady was it a glorious end. I think overall it was to give a scrap of closure to us. Sure it wasn't perfect, but at least they tried. They could easily have just released 9th and squatted the whole scene without giving it a proper funeral first.
It's both interesting and really goofy. On one hand, it's cool to see the story move forward and things change. But so much of that writing was cringe worthy and a lot of character moments felt like they were written by 12 year olds. But the story isn't innately bad, and I can see some fans liking it. Even from just a stylistic view, I liked the more low-fantasy approach of soldiers fighting on the front lines from past editions, where even just a single unit of trolls was a big event. When you're throwing around dimension shattering magic spells and world ending maguffins, it just feels really dumb and an entirely different genre, especially when the rules of your world keep changing. But the actual design of the product feels ridiculous.
Story: You're paying something like $80 per supplement. If you're in it for the story, holy shit, that's a massive investment. With 5 books, what did it come to, $400? Way too much for this story, and it's hard to get players invested in a new status quo when you want them to pay ridiculous amounts for it. Gameplay: The virtue that a lot of people said was that the emphasis on big monsters and characters made the game more affordable for new players, since you didn't have to shell out for 50 man units. This was a ridiculous argument, since those lists required multiple army books and the end times book to use, coming out to 200+ before you've bought a single model. Models: The idea of the sub lists.
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Why would I possibly design an enormous army from one of these books when I know it's not going to last? The setting is going away, why build a bigger army when a radical overhaul is coming up? The End Times was, at its heart, a campaign series book. And those have always bored me. Paying $80 to recreate battles that are a part of an established storyline? The best campaign book was, hands down, the General's Compendium, because it gave you the tools to make your own campaign. End Times wasn't a campaign, it was recreating battles.
If GW wants to make a new, reimagined Fantasy line, so be it. The End Times felt like something you would read about but no one actually wanted to play. People liked the Nagash model, for example, but how the hell do you even get such a wonky model on the table, and who was going to build the TK + VC list to go with him?